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Subject: membership statistics - 30 November 2002
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:07:13 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com
CC: idaho_libs@yahoogroups.com

National Libertarian Party Membership Statistics

Statistics as of 30 November 2002

Total dues-paying members in areas with affiliate parties: 23376
Overall density: 82.1 members per million population

Change since Growth %Growth Growth/pop
four years ago (30Nov1998) -6679 -22.2 -23.5
record high (30Nov1999) -10119 -30.2 -35.5
last pres. election (31Oct2000) -9395 -28.7 -33.0
beginning of year (31Dec2001) -4355 -15.7 -15.3
convention (30Jun2002) -1663 -6.6 -5.8
31 October 2002 -379 -1.6 -1.3

Highest Ranking States (growth since 31 October 2002 - one month)

Number Density #Growth %Growth Growth/pop
CA 4060 NH 197.0 ID 5 DE 4.5 DE 3.8
TX 1269 AK 182.7 IL 5 ID 3.7 ID 3.8
GA 1260 VT 156.6 DE 3 HI 2.0 HI 1.6
FL 1205 CO 154.4 HI 2 NM 1.0 NM 1.1
MI 1049 GA 150.3 NM 2 KY 0.7 IL 0.4
PA 975 WA 135.4 AZ 1 IL 0.6 AZ 0.2
IL 856 DC 129.4 KY 1 AZ 0.2 KY 0.2
WA 811 NV 124.4 AL 0 AL 0.0 AL 0.0
NY 795 WY 123.4 MS 0 MS 0.0 MS 0.0
OH 793 CA 117.7 MT -1 IN -0.3 SC -0.2
VA 733 NM 111.0 ND -1 SC -0.4 IN -0.3
CO 682 MA 106.3 RI -1 OR -0.5 LA -0.4
MA 678 OR 105.7 SC -1 WI -0.6 WI -0.4
IN 595 ID 105.2 SD -1 CT -0.7 CT -0.6
NC 547 MI 105.0 WY -1 NH -0.8 OR -0.6
NJ 526 VA 102.0 CT -2 CO -1.0 IA -0.7
AZ 432 MT 100.6 IA -2 IA -1.0 KS -0.7
MD 415 ME 99.5 IN -2 KS -1.0 TX -0.7
OR 367 IN 97.3 KS -2 MT -1.1 MN -0.8
MO 365 DE 86.7 LA -2 NV -1.1 FL -0.9
TN 361 HI 83.3 NE -2 TX -1.1 NC -0.9
AL 327 CT 81.5 NH -2 FL -1.2 NY -0.9
MN 322 AZ 81.4 OR -2 MN -1.2 RI -0.9
WI 315 PA 79.4 WI -2 LA -1.3 MT -1.1
CT 279 MD 77.2 AK -3 NC -1.3 NE -1.2
NV 262 KS 76.1 DC -3 CA -1.4 OH -1.2
SC 259 FL 73.5 NV -3 WY -1.6 SD -1.3
NH 248 AL 73.2 VT -3 OH -1.7 NJ -1.4
KS 205 UT 72.3 MN -4 RI -1.9 NV -1.4
NM 203 OH 69.7 WV -4 MI -2.1 CO -1.6
IA 190 IL 68.6 AR -6 NE -2.2 ND -1.6
UT 164 NC 66.8 UT -6 NJ -2.2 NH -1.6
OK 160 IA 65.0 CO -7 NY -2.2 CA -1.7
LA 157 MN 64.8 ME -7 PA -2.2 PA -1.8
KY 150 MO 64.8 NC -7 WA -2.2 TN -1.9
ID 139 SC 63.7 OK -7 AK -2.5 MD -2.0
ME 128 TN 62.9 MD-11 GA -2.6 OK -2.0
AR 122 NJ 62.0 TN-11 MD -2.6 WY -2.0
AK 116 TX 59.5 NJ-12 SD -2.6 AR -2.2
HI 102 WI 58.3 MO-13 VA -2.8 WV -2.2
VT 96 NE 51.4 OH-14 ND -3.0 MI -2.3
MT 91 ND 50.4 TX-14 TN -3.0 MO -2.3
NE 88 SD 50.2 FL-15 VT -3.0 UT -2.6
MS 76 RI 50.1 NY-18 MO -3.4 VA -2.9
WV 76 OK 46.2 WA-18 UT -3.5 WA -3.0
DC 74 AR 45.3 VA-21 DC -3.9 GA -3.9
DE 69 WV 42.2 PA-22 OK -4.2 AK -4.7
WY 61 NY 41.8 MI-23 MA -4.5 VT -4.9
RI 53 KY 36.9 MA-32 AR -4.7 MA -5.0
SD 38 LA 35.2 GA-33 WV -5.0 DC -5.2
ND 32 MS 26.6 CA-57 ME -5.2 ME -5.4

areas with currently recognized affiliates: 23376
other US areas (territories, etc.) 14
APO/FPO 30
non-US 12
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Subject: Anyone left around here?
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:55:18 -0500 (EST)
From: " Dr. E. Douglas Sheets" <douglas.sheets@excite.com>
To: libnw@immosys.com
CC: libnw@yahoogroups.com

Hi,

Wondering if this list still exists anymore. Anyone left here.

Dr. E. Douglas Sheets

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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:57:11 -0500
From: "Robert Goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>

I'm here. It's just that lately my libertarian-oriented discussion has
been focused on one thing -- encouraging people to quit the Libertarian
Party in favor of doing politics via other organizations. I've limited
that discussion to the LPNY discussion list. After the turn of the year
I may try to develop that discussion here. And right now I'm tied up
creating & grading exams & term papers.

In Your Sly Tribe,
Robert

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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:51:08 -0500
From: "G Triest" <garyonthenet@yahoo.com>
To: "Libertarian Newsgroups Northwest" <libnw@immosys.com>,
<douglas.sheets@excite.com>

well, i still seem to get them.

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From: Dr. E. Douglas Sheets
To: libnw@immosys.com
Cc: libnw@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:55 AM
Subject: Anyone left around here?

Hi,

Wondering if this list still exists anymore. Anyone left here.

Dr. E. Douglas Sheets

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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:06:18 -0500 (EST)
From: " Dr. E. Douglas Sheets" <douglas.sheets@excite.com>
To: libnw@immosys.com

Mr. G. Triest,

G. Triest wrote:

So. I Frank still around? You is running this list now?

If Frank doesn't have any interest anymore, perhaps I can take over and
moderate it myself. Seems like a real waste, considering how the list was a
year or two ago.

Dr. E. Douglas sheet

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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:17:10 +0800
From: "Frank M. Reichert" <frank.reichert@e-homebrew.com>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>, <douglas.sheets@excite.com>

Greetings Dr. Sheets,

> So. I Frank still around? You is running this list now?

The list owner is Frank Reichert.

> If Frank doesn't have any interest anymore, perhaps I can take over and
moderate it myself. Seems like a real waste, considering how the list was a
year or two ago.

As I see it. That's not up to you to decide. I am the listowner. If anyone,
it might be Bill Anderson who might eventually as co-moderator, take such
responsibility. Who do you think you are to presume you can assume such a
responsibility for a list you don't even own?

Kindest regards,
Frank

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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:48:06 -0500
From: "G Triest" <garyonthenet@yahoo.com>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>, <douglas.sheets@excite.com>

Yes I think Frank is still around; I am surprised that he doesn't do much to
nurture the list anymore, it was a lively forum.
But he may be rather possessive nonetheless; however its moderated something
would be better than nothing.

Gary.

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From: " Dr. E. Douglas Sheets" <douglas.sheets@excite.com>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?

>
> Mr. G. Triest,
>
> G. Triest wrote:
>
> So. I Frank still around? You is running this list now?
>
> If Frank doesn't have any interest anymore, perhaps I can take over and
moderate it myself. Seems like a real waste, considering how the list was a
year or two ago.
>
> Dr. E. Douglas sheet
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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:36:36 -0500
From: "Robert Goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>

"Frank M. Reichert" <frank.reichert@e-homebrew.com> wrote:

> Greetings Dr. Sheets,
>
> > So. I Frank still around? You is running this list now?
>
> The list owner is Frank Reichert.
>
> > If Frank doesn't have any interest anymore, perhaps I can take over
and
> moderate it myself. Seems like a real waste, considering how the list
was a
> year or two ago.
>
> As I see it. That's not up to you to decide. I am the listowner. If
anyone,
> it might be Bill Anderson who might eventually as co-moderator, take
such
> responsibility. Who do you think you are to presume you can assume
such a
> responsibility for a list you don't even own?

I think this is just a misimpression Dr. Sheets had. There's a dearth
of traffic lately, and I guess he thinks a moderator can drum up traffic
somehow. A moment's reflection shows that that's not a moderator's job,
and that indeed a moderator has no more power to produce traffic than
does any other participant.

A lot of forums are quiet now, largely because of the Christmas and
end-of-year rushes to get various other things done. I'm busy with
duties at the end of fall term A -- exams, papers, and grading same --
as well as a mid-term exam in fall term C. Then I've got to clean up
this place for a visit from my friend Nancy. I'm also preparing some
items for a New Year's celebration. I SHOULD (but have been slow with
some of the preparations, thereby missing the holidays trade) be getting
my bubble bath up on Ebay. And now my friend Nadine has issues about
her late husband's car that I'm helping with, and deciding now whether
to accept it as a gift and insure and register it and dispose of my car,
which is older.

Plus, as I wrote, I'm getting out of LP and discussing my reasons why on
the LPNY discussion list, where I'm encouraging others to quit or to
reform it into something other than a political party. Unfortunately it
may take organizing an alternative to draw people away. Later I'll
discuss it here, but I'd rather not right now. But the basic idea is
that the LP has sucked libertarians out of engagement with real,
effective politics for 30 years.

In Your Sly Tribe,
Robert

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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:03:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Michelle <quicksilver810@yahoo.com>
To: libnw@immosys.com, douglas.sheets@excite.com

--- " Dr. E. Douglas Sheets"
<douglas.sheets@excite.com> wrote:
>
> Mr. G. Triest,
>
> G. Triest wrote:
>
> So. I Frank still around? You is running this list
> now?
>
> If Frank doesn't have any interest anymore, perhaps
> I can take over and moderate it myself. Seems like a
> real waste, considering how the list was a year or
> two ago.

A more effective strategy would be to start posting
information about current events, links to interesting
essays, or topics for general discussion. Those are
the ways threads typically get started here.

I imagine a lot of the quietness on the list is due to
the fact that four of the frequent contributors here
have been otherwise occupied in recent weeks. Frank,
Bill and myself have been busy with Idaho LP business
and Robert is leaving the LP (which sounds like a
smart move on his part).

I hardly think the list is dead though and imagine
traffic will start picking up again after Christmas
when people have more time available.

Sincerely,
Michelle Eilers

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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:30:33 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com

Greetings Robert!

Robert Goodman wrote to Frank Reichert...

> Plus, as I wrote, I'm getting out of LP and discussing my reasons why on
> the LPNY discussion list, where I'm encouraging others to quit or to
> reform it into something other than a political party.

All I can see is that we already have other "think tanks" like the
Cato Institute. I believe there should be a political party, as such,
to deal with the politics of implementing such policies. LP candidates
in two-man races in Idaho don't do that badly generally, and it helps
to educate people that there are alternatives. 3-man races are dead
meat for any third party, and the problem lies in not knowing in
advance usually when an incumbent will actually run uncontested.

In Idaho's 2002 election we had around 50 candidates spread out across
the whole state, including our first ever Primary election, which was
a real inspiration. Most of Idaho is now solidly in the GOP camp, and
the state legislature is heavily lopsided in favour of the GOP.
Democrats have been declining in fact so heavily that some predict in
a decade the LP will be Idaho's 2nd Party, replacing the Democrats if
this trend continues. I'm not talking about dues paying membership,
but those choosing to vote LP in the Primary Election as the chief
indicator.

> Unfortunately it
> may take organizing an alternative to draw people away.

It depends upon the motivation for drawing them away, and how
libertarians can be elected without a party organization, as such, to
hang their hat. I suppose you might in mind something along the
nature of several "Ron Pauls" running under the two party system,
either as Democrats or Republicans. Grant it, it has worked in the
past. Former JBS President, the late Dr. Larry McDonald, represented a
Georgia district in the US Congress prior to his assassination on
KAL007 by the Russians. He was a Democrat. However, really
infiltrating the Democrats would be tough these days, since the party
apparatus has a tendency to take out anyone to the right of Joe
Liebermann before they can win even a primary election. The Democrats
don't really allow for a very big tent, and likely now will drift
further to the left anyway to put some distance with Bush's popularity
and the growing of the GOP's big tent toward the centre. Although some
of the rhetoric of the GOP sounds the same, the reality is that in
most issues, it is moving leftward in areas such as public education
and a lot of other social(ist) programmes.

> Later I'll
> discuss it here, but I'd rather not right now. But the basic idea is
> that the LP has sucked libertarians out of engagement with real,
> effective politics for 30 years.

Again, running within the two party system hasn't worked very well
either, at least after the time Barry Goldwater distanced the
traditional GOP from the eastern establishment control over the party.
Even Ronald Reagan had to gravitate to the centre to get the blessing
of that bunch.

But looking forward to your further revelations on how something like
this might be done.

Kindest regards,
Frank

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Subject: Re: Anyone left around here?
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:34:54 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com

Greetings again Michelle!

Michelle Eilers wrote to Dr. E. Douglas Sheets...

> I imagine a lot of the quietness on the list is due to
> the fact that four of the frequent contributors here
> have been otherwise occupied in recent weeks. Frank,
> Bill and myself have been busy with Idaho LP business
> and Robert is leaving the LP (which sounds like a
> smart move on his part).

Ain't that the truth. Admittedly, I've been monitoring libnw, but have
largely been too busy with LP of Idaho stuff, and other matters
recently to give thoughtful posting more time. Hopefully some of that
may change after this "Jan. 18" thing passes.

> I hardly think the list is dead though and imagine
> traffic will start picking up again after Christmas
> when people have more time available.

It's been very low for several weeks. I did an archive check a few
days ago, and traffic has decreased considerably, even prior to the
Nov. elections. Maybe Sheets was right, I ought to spend more time
here once in a while.

Kindest regards,
Frank

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Subject: Fw from Xaviera Hollander: big brother is watching ME and a good year to You.
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:08:27 -0500
From: "Robert Goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "xaviera" <xie@xavierahollander.com>
To: "robert goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:53 AM
Subject: big brother is watching ME and a good year to You.

>
>
>
> EG> Dear Exele. What in the world is going on here? Is your visa not
being renewed? Please
> EG> let me know. E G. Los Angeles
>
>
> Dear friend, that's absolutely right... and that after 10 years of
> going back and forth to the USA.
> Today I had a long chat with the most sympathetic and friendly
> consul of the USA in Amsterdoooom. We get along fine now for 36
years
> and so do his two helpful assistants. They fingerprinted me and
promised
> to urgently send off a letter of recommendation and good conduct to
the
> USA FBI office where I had apparently suddenly appeared on an old
> (1961) and now renewed CIA black list. Is that what we call You can
> get away with murder but not with sex???
>
> In the last few months according to the consul millions of people,
who
> needed a visa, after the 9.11 horror drama, have been frantically
turned down,
> even for the smallest offences, like not paying traffic tickets or
overstaying
> your visa with as little as 3 days. The USA government has passed a
new law
> were they now have the right to monitor just about every move you
> make, phone calls, mail and emails!!
> BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU and in this case LITTLE OLE ME!
> AM I GLAD I LIVE IN LIBERAL HOLLAND!!
>
> Will send you some comments of USA friends of mine, both living in as
> well as out of the USA and their reaction to this attitude towards
me,
> who has had a visa for the last 10 years. What has become of that
once
> so beautiful country the US of A?? This paranoia is worse than
> McCarthy-ism. It is more like a farce.
>
> The fact that I have been very good for all the USA expats by
bringing
> them cultural events
>
http://www.uitlijn.nl/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail_productie&prodid=51584
> and www.xaviera-theatre.com/booker with my theatre productions in
their
> own language will obviously also be mentioned by the consul.
>
> I hope all this helps me to be allowed to come back to the USA, where
I
> just start to really enjoy the company of my friends and family
> members, whatever little is left of them in this world and the fun
> parties and outings. What with the brand new documentary made about my
> life, by my own cousin and well know paleontologist Robert Dunlap!?
> This UNHAPPY ending would certainly give it a very different twist.
> So far the working title of the film was: Xaviera.... still happy!
>
> It may take up to 5 weeks to get a visa and two weeks for a weaver
but
> as I am leaving for Mexico, California and New York early February
> the consul promised to move with double speed so I will hopefully be
able to get
> the proper papers just in time . IF I get them back. They say that 90
of the
> people who were rejected finally managed to get the visa in the end,
some
> businessmen were really pissed off as they lost thousands of dollars
by this
> unnecessary delay of several months.
> Love,
>
> Xaviera
>
> ---------------------------------
> and here are some comments of my friends
> a message from a friend in N,Y.: Cl.
>
> By the way, Congress has just passed sweeping legislation allowing
for
> the monitoring of all kinds of communication. I would not refer to
> herbs in your emails or anything that might jeopardize your chances
for
> a visa. It's really much more insidious than the McCarthy days. This
is
> more like Big Brother of 1984.
>
>
> At 08:02 AM 12/13/02 -0600, MB from New Orleans wrote
> >Wait a second. You mean you're not allowed into the states right
> >now? For real? This would be something I would get pissed about. I
don't
> >mind them accessing information though. I'm more interested in what
> >they plan on doing with that information. This could be the
> >beginning of the end though. Fortunately they haven't started
planting
> >microchips in us yet, but it's coming. Could be why they want to
innoculate
> >us all for 'small pox'.
>
> http://www.progressive.org/webex/wxmc042702.html
> http://civilliberty.about.com/library/weekly/aa092702a.htm
> http://www.aclu-wa.org/take_action/NoFlyList.html
> http://epistolary.org/1452.html
>
> By the way, if you decide you want to get "activist", don't post any
> controversial stuff on my server. While I am not at all happy about
> our civil liberties, now that we've entered this new era of f- acism
> thanks to the voters of this country, I'm through being political - I
give up..
> i'm just going to keep my mouth shut and hope that I'm not detained at
> the airport next week.
>
> from my friend C from New york :
> After 9/11, this country went into a kind of permanent state of
> shock. While in this state, and until a sense of safety and assurance
that
> such a catastrophe is not imminent, most people seem willing to give
> up a lot of the vaunted American freedoms in favor of nabbing the
> bastards who attacked us. At the moment, they seem willing to have
pretty
> serious intrusions into their private lives in order to stop
> terrorism.
> This state of emergency is being steadily massaged by the Bush
> administration. There are several underlying causes in addition to
> the obvious one that no one wants a repeat of the NY disaster. First,
the
> ultra conservative right has always wanted to have easier access into
> the pipelines of pornography, abortion rights, and other things that
> they see as ultimate corruption. Now, they have it. Second, there are
> serious economic problems that are devastating the various markets
> including the stock exchanges and most of the major pension funds.
> So, on the one hand, the people with the white hats can root out all
> kinds of evil while looking for terrorists, and on the other hand,
they can
> create enough smoke and mirrors to cover the mess they are making.
> You are an example of one who has fallen victim to this new order.
And,
> since you are a foreigner AND a sex goddess with a criminal record,
> you are going to remain blacklisted, your contacts notwithstanding.
> Perhaps your huge network of friends can help you, but brace yourself
for a
> lot of frustration. If Charlie Chaplin were alive, he could tell you
all
> about it. And James Joyce, and so on, and so on.
>
> last but not least a note from an ex pat and good friend who lives
> in Amsterdam and LOVES it.. A.S.
>
> It is indeed a fascinating subject, and the long term
> implications make the current global threats of terrorism
> look historically insignificant. Well, you have to watch the
> documentary to understand why. Since it's online you can
> watch it streamed to your machine.
>
> So.. this is xie.. now I understand why I am not allowed back in the
> >*** and am on a black list.. so no more mention of ***** or *** and
> >**** or even **** and ****???
> >Brother f......s.
>
> You have to start making large donations to the republican party,
> announce that you have found Jesus in your heart on your personal web
> page, and write an feature article for Penthouse saying that you were
> wrong to promote sex before marriage, it is a sin.
>
> Nah.....
> your friend and ex pat A.S. in Holland
>
> HAVE A GOOD NEW YEAR and do come and visit ME some time in Holland
> where the air is fresh and the laws are liberal and the bed in my bed
> and breakfast is warm...
> www.xavierahollander.com/sleeper
>

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Subject: Fw: scientists criticize Visa Restrictions
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:59:54 -0500
From: "Robert Goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "xaviera" <xie@xavierahollander.com>
To: "robert goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: scientists criticize Visa Restrictions

> Scientists Criticize Visa Restrictions
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story
u=/ap/20021213/ap_on_sc/visas_scientists
> Sign InYahoo! News Sun, Dec 15, 2002
>
> Search News StoriesNews PhotosAudio/VideoFull CoverageThe New York
TimesAll of
> Yahoo!
>
> Fri Dec 13, 3:57 PM ET
> Add Science - AP to My Yahoo!By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, Associated Press
Writer
>
> WASHINGTON -Restrictions on visas for foreigners visiting the United
States, imposed
> to deter terrorists, are hampering scientific research, leaders of the
National
> Academies complained Friday.
>
> "Recent efforts by our government to constrain the flow of
international visitors
> in the name of national security are having serious, unintended
consequences for
> American science, engineering, and medicine," the officials said in a
joint statement.
>
> The statement said, "Ongoing research collaborations have been
hampered. ...
> Outstanding young scientists, engineers, and health researchers have
been prevented
> from or delayed in entering this country, (and) important
international conferences
> have been canceled or negatively impacted; and ... such conferences
will be moved out
> of the United States in the future if the situation is not corrected."
>
> The statement was signed by Bruce Alberts, president of the National
Academy of
> Sciences (news - web sites); William A. Wulf, president of the
National Academy of
> Engineering (news - web sites);!
> and Harvey Fineberg, president of the Institute of Medicine (news -
web sites).
>
> Under a security system set up after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror
attacks, applications
> from certain national groups to the State Department for visas to
enter the United
> States are to be checked against possible terrorist names in FBI
(news - web sites)
> and CIA (news - web sites) databases, a step that can delay visas or
worse for men in
> these groups between ages 16 and 45.
>
> According to a GAO report, a backlog rapidly built up, and in some
cases visas were
> denied, simply because not enough information was available to make a
decision. In one
> case, visas were denied for 90 percent of several hundred young
Pakistanis who had
> been selected by their government as potential leaders of universities
there and
> accepted for graduate training in U.S. universities.
>
> The three National Institutes scientists said that while it is
important to make the
> nation safer, it also is vital "that our visa policy not only keep out
foreigners who
> intend to do us harm but also facilitate the acceptance of those who
bring us
> considerable benefit."
>
> If visa restrictions stop international collaborations at U.S.
facilities, then these
> facilities will cease to attract international support, the scientists
said.
> "Moreover, our scientists and engineers will no longer enjoy
reciprocal access to
> important facilities abroad."
>
> "The professional visits of foreign scientists and engineers and the
training of
> highly qualified foreign students are important for maintaining the
vitality and
> quality of the U.S. research enterprise. This research, in turn,
underlies national
> security and the health and welfare of both our economy and society,"
they said in the
> statement.
>
> Among those who have been denied visas, they complained, have been
scholars asked to
> speak at major conferences, distinguished professors invited to teach
at universities
> and foreign associates of the academies.
>
> "It includes research collaborators for U.S. laboratories whose
absence not only
> halts projects, but also compromises commitments made in long-standing
international
> cooperative agreements," they said.
>
> In addition, they said, those blocked included scientists from
countries such as Iran
> and Pakistan "whose exclusion from this country blocks our efforts to
build allied
> educational and scientific institutions in those parts of the world.
>
> In September, the scientists said, visa restrictions came within one
day of forcing
> the cancellation of a meeting in Washington of the Committee on
U.S.-Russian
> Cooperation on Nuclear Non-Proliferation. The committee's
responsibilities include
> assuring that nuclear weapons-grade materiel is under control and out
of reach of
> terrorists.
>
> "It required intervention at the highest levels of the State
Department to gain the
> needed visas," the three leaders said.
>
> To correct the problem, the scientists suggested:
>
> _Reinstating a procedure of presecurity clearance for scientists and
engineers with
> the proper credentials;
>
> _Instituting a special visa category for established scientists,
engineers and health
> researchers; and
>
> _Involving American scientists and specialists pinpointing particular
security
> problems.
>
> ___

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Subject: LNC meeting summary - 14-15 December 2002
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:26:06 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com
CC: idaho_libs@yahoogroups.com

The Libertarian National Committee met 14-15 December 2002 in Crystal
City, Virginia.

The minutes of the September meeting were approved. It was decided
that in the future minutes will contain only specific types of
information, such as attendance, the wording of motions, and votes,
and
will not include an account of the debate.

The Treasurer reported on the financial situation and improvements in
accounting practices, topics including: a move toward "contemporaneous
accounting" of various assets and liabilities, a correction in the
value used for UMP liabilities, the large drop in fund balance around
the time of the convention, the need for a controller, cuts in
expenses, and the difficulty in meeting our UMP obligations. He
provided a comparison of the view of our financial situation during
2002 based on previous and updated practices and said that the new
approaches would provide the LNC with better information going
forward.
He said that the measures taken so far could bring us into balance in
the long term but that does not solve the short term problem.

The Chair/Director reported on the national office situation, topics
including: staff reductions, computer system problems including aging
equipment and defective file backups, the delay in producing financial
reports, and the implementation of a new accounting system and payroll
schedule.

There was discussion of office location alternatives, topics
including:
the significance of savings that might be realized, financial and
other
costs of moving, obligations under the current lease and the prospects
of being able to get somone else to take over all or part of it, the
availability of space of various types in the general area, and the
possibility of purchasing vs. leasing new space. The Chair was
authorized to seek alternative tenants for the current space.

The LNC went into executive session to discuss legal matters.

There was extensive discussion of the budget for 2003. In addition to
the time spent during the formal meeting, there was an informal
discussion period on Saturday evening during which the main topics
were
the budget and the current financial situation.

Major concepts involved in the discussion included: "core" activities
to be supported by "core" revenues including dues, "special projects"
to
be implemented only to the extent that dedicated revenue can be raised
beyond core sources, accounting for staff costs of special projects,
allocation of common costs, basing estimates on historical per-member
costs and revenues without assuming membership growth, avoiding "blue
sky" estimates.

Issues raised as possibly relevant to balancing the budget included:
staff cuts, dues level, shifting activities from "core" to "special
projects", hiring a new Executive Director either earlier or later, LP
News publication frequency, Liberty Pledge publication frequency,
50-state ballot status, outreach tabloid pricing, maintaining
commitment to the strategic plan, increased use of volunteers.

The LNC went into executive session to discuss staffing.

The LNC adopted a budget with total core revenue and expense of
approximately $1.4 million. This includes a staffing level
significantly reduced in comparison both with previous years and with
the initial proposal from the Executive Committee. Major items treated
as "special projects" are: ballot access, branding, campaign training
and support, campus support, the drug war strategy, the new database
system (Raiser's Edge), and other computer system improvements.

There was discussion of issues relating to senior management,
including
the search for a new Executive Director, coming up with incentive
plans, and the question of whether the Chair/Director should have the
ability to hire or fire without approval from the Executive Committee.

A policy was adopted allowing for use of promissory notes in managing
overdue accounts payable during a "state of financial exigency". A
state of financial exigency was declared to exist.

The Chair and Treasurer were authorized to negotiate with willing
state
affiliates voluntary deferral of UMP payments.

The Political Steering Committee established in September (but to
which
no appointments had yet been made) was abolished.

New policies were adopted relating to procedures for writing off
uncollectable receivables, capitalization of small purchases, LNC
approval of changes to employment policies, and a schedule for
resolving questions about convention delegate allocations. Authority
for approving certain membership policies was moved from the Executive
Committee to the full LNC. Several other changes were made to the
Policy Manual to modify language that was considered unclear,
obsolete,
or redundant.

The LNC was given a presentation of a racing sponsorship concept.

Other items briefly discussed included: status of the search for a new
LP News editor, contacts between potential presidential candidates and
LNC/staff, loans from the Chair to the accounting consultant, the Free
State Project, the Gene Cisewski matter, a policy for open and
confidential records, the "welcome wagon" letter being sent to new
members by Mary Ruwart, additional work to be done on the Policy
Manual, whether to do further work on the Policy Governance approach,
and the upcoming strategic plan review / state chairs meetings.

Future meetings were scheduled for: 22-23 March 2003 in Atlanta,
28-29 June 2003 in Seattle, and 13-14 September in Denver.

[Note: This is only a summary of the meeting and is not intended to be
relied upon as a complete record of business.]

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Subject: own (or give) a piece of Freedom's history
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:02:54 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: own (or give) a piece of Freedom's history
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:56:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Libertarian Party Announcements <owner-announce@lp.org>

3 Gifts of Liberty

Dear Libertarian,

I love the holidays and look forward to my yearly Christmas vacation.
But as I cross the Potomac on my way down to Georgia, each year I am
reminded of another river crossing that occurred around this time 226
years ago.

Every schoolchild knows the story behind George Washington crossing
the
Delaware on Christmas night. With the snow and wind blowing in their
faces, General Washington and his soldiers crossed the icy river.

Through the night they marched in frigid temperatures; some with
nothing but rags on their feet. Some were armed only with fishing
pikes to go up against British cannons. Vastly outnumbered,
Washington
and his soldiers won the Battle of Trenton that morning.

They were tired and bloody, but their will and tenacity set the stage
for the colonies' victory several years later.

No one wants to go to war, but when the time came to stand up for what
was right, Washington and his soldiers fought and died so that others
could be free.

These reluctant heroes left us a legacy of honor, sacrifice and
liberty. They were the teeth behind the Declaration of Independence
and set the stage for the writing of the United States Constitution.

Only one other American political document is looked to with as much
authority and reverence as these two: The Federalist Papers.

In these 85 anonymously published essays, James Madison, Alexander
Hamilton and John Jay set down the political and moral reasoning
behind
the Constitution – the document that laid the groundwork for the
freest
government the world had yet seen.

Few documents hold more awe to Libertarians than the Federalist
Papers.
And now, through a special arrangement, the Libertarian Party has
access to five pages of the original 1788 first edition.

These documents have been made available to the LP by the Remnant
Trust
– a Hagerstown, Indiana-based business that buys, preserves and
displays historic documents.

The Remnant Trust has recently discovered a copy of the original
Federalist Papers that is missing some pages. The company has decided
to use this opportunity to "spread history around" and help the LP by
preserving each page for individual display.

Protectively encased in a beautiful, clear Lucite display case, one of
these beautiful pieces of American history could be yours to keep or
to
give to a special Liberty lover you know.

These pages of the Federalist Papers are ready to be shipped in time
for Christmas delivery. For a minimum $2,000 donation, the top five
donors will receive one page of the original 1788 edition of the
Federalist Papers in time for Christmas.

In order to guarantee Christmas delivery we request you submit your
donation by Thursday at 1 PM Eastern Time. Orders after then will
still be taken, but we cannot guarantee Christmas delivery on those.

If you would like to own this piece of American history please visit
http://www.lp.org/holidaygifts.html.

For those who cannot afford this stunning piece of American history,
here are a few more Libertarian gift ideas.

For donations of $100 or more, you will receive an autographed copy of
Sheriff Bill Masters' book, "Drug War Addiction." A well-written
argument by the nation's only Libertarian sheriff, it's the perfect
gift for those book-loving Libertarians you know and it's available
right now at http://www.lp.org/holidaygifts.html.

For donations of $50 or more, you will receive a "Don't Tread on Me"
lapel pin. It's great for proclaiming your independence to non-
libertarians or showing your knowledge of the American Revolution at
your next state LP Convention. Get your "Don't Tread on Me" pin at
http://www.lp.org/holidaygifts.html.

I hope you are able to fulfill your special Libertarian's holiday wish
list or that of your own this year.

When I cross the Potomac this year, I'll be thinking of George
Washington and all those people who won America's independence. I
hope
you can take some time out of your busy holiday schedule, too, to
remember those reluctant heroes who came before us.

In Liberty,

Ron Crickenberger
Political Director
National Libertarian Party

P.S. For delivery by Christmas, we must receive your donation by
Thursday at 1PM Eastern time. Don't delay. Reserve your copy of an
original Federalist Papers page, Bill Masters' book, or a "Don't Tread
On Me" pin today at http://www.lp.org/holidaygifts.html.

PP.S. If you miss that deadline. You will still get your gift if
they
are available, but Christmas delivery won't be guaranteed.

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Subject: Two Million Tabloids
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:37:52 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com

This sounds like something that might actually work. It would still
obviously take some legwork from local LP members to move them around
and make a good circulation base possible however.

Kindest regards,
Frank

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Two Million Tabloids
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:00:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Libertarian Party Announcements <owner-announce@lp.org>
Reply-To: liberty_talk@yahoogroups.com

Dear Libertarian,

I wanted to let you know about a fantastic new outreach tool for your
local party or personal use that is available for you now at very low
cost.

Thanks to a generous grant, we have been able to produce two million
copies of a tabloid-style Libertarian newspaper for an extremely low
price. We want to pass the savings onto you, and send the Libertarian
message to millions of Americans at the same time.

The "Libertarian Viewpoint" is an eight-page tabloid newspaper that
introduces people to the Libertarian Party in a fun and easy way. It
is available right now at
http://www.lp.org/services/libviewpoint.html.

But before you check out its eight pages of eye-catching graphics and
Libertarian solutions, I would like to tell you a little more about
how
you can use the "Libertarian Viewpoint."

"Libertarian Viewpoint" is modeled after our latest brochure: "A New
Vision for America." The "A New Vision for America" brochure features
common sense applications of Libertarian ideas. It was the first in a
new line of updated LP brochures and outreach materials.

"Libertarian Viewpoint" is a much less expensive newspaper format with
new material. This will allow you to put the Libertarian message into
the hands of more people than before.

Now, I wouldn't be crowing about how great the "Libertarian Viewpoint"
is if I didn't have any examples of how well this type of outreach
material could work.

In fact, the Indiana state party created a similar tabloid focused on
local Libertarian solutions that they inserted into over 350,000
newspapers statewide just prior to the November 2002 elections. This
tabloid introduced thousands of Indiana voters to Libertarian ideas
and
candidates for the first time.

And the results were phenomenal.

For the first time in history, the Indiana top-of-the-ticket candidate
received over 2% in every county. And in the four counties where
citizens received the Indiana tabloid in both their statewide and
local
newspapers, she broke 7%. LP Marketing Director and Indiana Vice
Chair
Mark Schreiber attributes much of this increased vote total to the
easy-to-read, accessible tabloid.

Schreiber reports that "not only did Indiana's best results come from
counties where every citizen received our tabloid, but for relatively
little cost we gained 36 new members and generated 60 inquiries."

Indiana Libertarians used their tabloid-style newspaper to gain dozens
of new members, scores of inquiries, and thousands of votes. We want
to
help all LP state and local affiliates achieve the same success.

That's why we created the "Libertarian Viewpoint." We used the
solutions the LP presents in our "A New Vision for America" brochure
and the style of a newspaper tabloid to create an outreach tool that
ANY Libertarian can use.

"Libertarian Viewpoint" is great for handing out at state fairs. You
can pass them out to neighbors or leave them in waiting rooms.

Best of all, you can insert it into your local newspaper. For prices
less expensive than regular print advertising, many local newspapers
will insert the "Libertarian Viewpoint" into all of their newspapers.

In fact, if you are interested in doing this type of insert call me at
the office, (202) 333-0008, ext. 227 and we can discuss how best to
distribute this tabloid at bulk prices as low as four cents each, plus
shipping when you purchase large quantities.

Imagine 10,000...50,000...100,000 or more residents of your state or
county reading the "Libertarian Viewpoint" with their Sunday morning
breakfast and coffee.

Introducing thousands of people to the Libertarian Party was just what
West Virginia State Chair Richard Kerr is looking forward to when he
wrote, "I must have at least 10,000 of the tabloids for West
Virginia.
They are superb! … This project could really result in a surge in
Libertarian activity in our state. It is exactly the sort of material
that we need."

Winning over voters and new members is crucial to the LP's political
success. I hope you follow Richard's example and get a copy of the
"Libertarian Viewpoint," not just for yourself, but also for everyone
else in your neighborhood.

There are two ways for you to get the "Libertarian Viewpoint" into as
many hands as possible:

1.Go to http://www.lp.org/services/libviewpoint.html and buy copies
now
at our reduced prices.

2. Go to http://www.lp.org/contribute?prog=libviewpoint&fund=2002-0240
and contribute now to help us distribute this great outreach piece to
more people.

I hope you utilize one of these options so you can begin spreading the
Libertarian Party message in this great new format.

In liberty,

Ron Crickenberger
Political Director

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Subject: Fw: IAL * Cora Fax [EN] #.50 - Special Edition
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:47:33 -0500
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ANTIPROHIBITIONIST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD ....
Year VIII #.50 Edizione Speciale , December 18, 2002
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Weekly Action Report on Drug Policies
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- TRP-Transnational Radical Party (NGO, consultive status, I)
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APPEAL FOR AN ANTIPROHIBITIONIST REFORM OF THE UN CONVENTIONS ON DRUGS
SIGNED BY 108 PARLAMENTARIANS.

SIGN TOO !

(Link - http://www.radicalparty.org/lia_paa_appeal/index_en.php )

On the occasion of the ministerial segment of the Commission on
Narcotics that will take place on 16 and 17 April 2003 in Vienna, The
International Antiprohibitionist League (IAL) and the Transnational
Radical Party (TRP) launch a popular appeal calling on the
Secretary-General and the Member States of the United Nations to
initiate a reform process of the UN Conventions on Drugs.

The petition is based on a parliamentary resolution that the TRP and the
IAL have sent to dozens of parliament through the network of legislators
Parliamentarians for Antiprohibitionist Action and can be signed online.

Happy holidays

DRUGS: 108 MEPs ASK FOR LEGAL CONTROL

Bruxelles, 18 December 2002

108 MEPs from 7 Political groups and 13 Member States - among whom 2 EP
Vice-Presidents and 6 EP Committee Presidents - have tabled today a
draft recommendation to ask for the Reform of the UN Conventions on
Drugs. The collection of signature among citizens is starting.

CAPPATO:"THE RADICAL ANTIPROHIBITIONIST CAMPAIGN IN VIEW OF THE MEETING
OF THE UN ON APRIL 2003 IN VIENNA STARTS"

Declaration by Marco CAPPATO, Radical MEP of the Lista Bonino,
"Parliamentarians for Antiprohibitionist Action" co-ordinator promoter
of the initiative:

"The 108 MEPs have denounced that prohibitionism is the cause of harm
because it is an obstacle to prevention, only leads to blind repression
and causes rising profits to organised crime. The positive results
offered by decriminalisation policies and medical heroin prescription
programmes are underlined in the recommendation signed by the 108 MEPs.
The text of the recommendation, as a petition, can be signed by
citizens. (Link - http://www.radicalparty.org/antiprohibition ) "

List of Signatories (108):

PPE: Jorge Moreira Da Silva, Paolo Pastorelli

PSE: José Maria Mendiluce Pereiro; Pasqualina Napoletano; Gianni
Vattimo; Paulo Casaca; Maria Sornosa Martinez; Joke Swiebel; Helle
Thorning-Schmidt; Giovanni Pittella; Renzo Imbeni, EP Vice-President ;
Michael Cashman; Luís Marinho; Rosa Diez Gonzales; Carmen Cerdeira
Morterero; Joaquim Vairinhos; Adeline Hazan; Giorgio Ruffolo: Fiorella
Ghilardotti; Guido Sacconi; Michiel Van Hulten; Claudio Fava; Demetrio
Volcic; Elena Paciotti; Hans-Peter Martin, EU-Slovakia Delegation
President; Dorette Corbey; Margrietus van den Berg; Ieke van den Burg;
Emilio Menendez del Valle; Sérgio Sousa Pinto; António Campos; Claudio
Martelli; Manuel Antonio dos Santos; Elena Valenciano;

ELDR: Chris Davies; Luciana Sbarbati; Joan Vallvé; Marco Formentini;
Elly Ploij-van Gorsel, EU-China Delegation President; Maria Johanne
Sanders-Ten Holte; Lousewies Van Der Laan; Isidoro Sánchez García;
Andrew Duff; Sarah Ludford; Bob van den Bos; Frédérique Ries; Nick
Clegg; Jules Maaten; Johan Vanhecke;

V: Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Co-President of the Green Group; Kathalijne
Buitenweg; Alain Lipietz; Miquel Mayol i Raynal; Alima
Boumediene-Thiery; Helene Flautre; Claude Turmes; Alexander De Roo;
Danielle Auroi; Jan Dhaene; Patsy Sörensen; Heide Rühle; Yves
Pietrasanta; Johannes Voggenhuber; Joost Lagendijk, EU-Turkey Delegation
President; Didier Rod; Eurig Wyn; Raina A. Mercedes Echerer; Caroline
Lucas; Neil MacCormick; Jean Lambert; Monica Frassoni, Co-President of
the Green Group; Bart Staes, EU-Russai Delegation President; Nelly Maes;
Reinhold Messner; Paul Lannoye; Marie Anne Isler Béguin; Pierre
Jonckheer; Hiltrud Breyer; Patricia Mc Kenna; Giorgio Celli; Theo
Bouwman, Social Affairs Committee President; Gérard Onesta, EP
Vice-President; Matti Wuori;

GUE: Pernille Frahm; Alain Krivine; Genevieve Fraisse; Ole Krarup;
Giuseppe Di Lello; Helmut Markov; Lucio Manisco; Luigi Vinci; Erik
Meijer; Fodé Sylla; Roseline Vachetta; Pedro Marset Campos; Fausto
Bertinotti; Armando Cossutta; André Brie; Laura Gonzáles Álvarez

NI: Marco Cappato; Gianfranco Dell'Alba; Emma Bonino; Marco Pannella;
Benedetto della Vedova; Maurizio Turco; Olivier Dupuis; Peter Sichrovsky

EDD: Ulla Sandbaek

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APPEAL TO REFORM THE UN CONVENTIONS ON DRUGS

We the undersigned

A.Whereas drugs policies at the international level are derived from the
United Nations Conventions of 1961, 1971 and 1988, and whereas these
conventions prohibit in particular the production, trafficking, sale and
consumption of a whole range of substances other than for medical or
scientific purposes;

B. Considering that, despite the massive amount of police power and
other resources devoted to the application of such UN Conventions, the
production, consumption and trafficking of prohibited substances have
increased exponentially over the last 30 years, which constitute a
genuine failure as police and prison authorities also recognize.

In regard to prevention and treatment:

Whereas:
- the abuse of drugs, especially by young people, is a serious problem
around the world,
- all civilized nations are seeking better methods to control drug
abuse,
- the long history of prohibition has conclusively demonstrated that
reliance primarily on governmental action, through the criminal law and
the police, has only marginal effect on the control of drug abuse,
- there is strong evidence, furthermore, that effective treatment
programs should be developed largely free of governmental restraints,
thus allowing for the widest possible experimentation in the
never-ending search to improve their ability to assist the victims of
drug abuse.

In regard to production and trafficking:

Whereas:
- the great majority of narcotics move freely around the world in
defiance of prohibition laws,
- the increasing profits which criminal organizations derive from trade
in illegal substances and which are ploughed back into criminal
activities or legal financial circuits have reached such magnitude that
the foundations of legal bodies and constitutional government are being
undermined,
- the profitability of the trade in illegal substances can only lead to
an increase in the number of countries involved in drug production and
generate massive investment in research into, and the production of, new
chemical drugs, and
- the main effect of deploying large amounts of resources to curb the
traffic in illegal substances has triggered an increase of the selling
price (the crime tariff) to the sole benefit of organized criminal
networks.

In regard to social and health aspects and consumption:

Whereas:
- consumers of illegal substances usually lack any reliable information
concerning the composition and effects of the narcotics and that they
are consequently exposed to risks (including death as a result of
overdoses and infection by HIV/AIDS) which far outstrip the dangerous
nature of the substances themselves,
- the clandestine nature of the consumption of illegal substances is an
often-insurmountable obstacle to prevention work as well as to the
provision of assistance by public authorities and private organizations;
current policies therefore condemn consumers to live at the edge of
society, in permanent contact with the criminal underworld,
- organized crime acts in such a way that the number of consumers
increases rapidly and they are encouraged to move on from relatively
harmless substances, such as cannabis derivatives, to the consumption of
the so-called hard drugs, and
- extreme financial need and pressure from the world of organized crime
lead consumers of illegal substances to become dealers themselves, which
increases drug abuse even further.

In regard to legal and prison issues:

Whereas:
- the application of repressive drugs laws eventually places unbearable
pressure on the national and international legal and prison system to
the extent that large numbers of those currently detained in prisons are
charged with penalties directly or indirectly related to drugs, and
- the implementation of current drugs policies leads to the introduction
into national law of rules that restrict individual freedom and civil
liberties;
- the soundness of current policies and the search for alternative
solutions are currently under consideration in an increasing number of
countries,

1. Maintain that the drug prohibition policy stemming from the UN
Conventions of 1961, 1971 and 1988 is the actual cause of the increasing
damage which the production, trafficking, sale and consumption of
illegal substances inflict on entire sections of society, the economy as
well as public institutions, thus undermining health, freedom and
individuals' lives and

in view of the Ministerial Segment of the Commission of Narcotics that
will be held at the UN Office of Vienna on 16 and 17 April 2003:

2. Urge the Secretary-General and of the Member States of the UN to
consider the positive results obtained through the implementation of
policies in several countries, which involve harm and risk reduction (in
particular through the administration of substitute substances), the
decriminalisation of the consumption of certain substances, the partial
decriminalisation of the sale of cannabis and its derivatives, and the
medically controlled distribution of heroin,
4. Call on the Secretary-General and of the Member States of the UN to
take action in order to make the fight against organized crime and drugs
trafficking more effective, establishing a system for the legal control
and regulation of the production, sale and consumption of substances
which are currently illegal;
5. Call on the Secretary-General and of the Member States of the UN to
initiate a process of revision of the UN Conventions, in order to reform
or amend the 1961 and 1971 Conventions, with the aim of re-classifying
substances and providing for other uses of drugs than only for medical
and scientific purposes to be legal, and to repeal the 1988 Convention

Sincerely,

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Subject: Re: US Judge Shows Keen Interest in Raich/Monson MMJ Case]
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:31:11 -0500
From: "Robert Goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
To: <drctalk@drcnet.org>, <libnw@immosys.com>

"Arthur Livermore" <arthur.livermore@alumni.reed.edu> wrote in DRCtalk
(which I quote in full because I'm also putting this on Liberty Now
Worldwide):

> Dear all,
>
> It looks like the court may finally hear us.
>
> Arthur
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
>
>
> San Francisco, Dec 17: US Judge Martin Jenkins displayed a keen
> interest in the civil suit by Angel Raich, Diane Monson, et al. for
> an injunction to protect their right to use medical marijuana,
> declaring that the case raised "significant issues" concerning the
> government's constitutional authority to prohibit medical use of
> marijuana.
>
> Defense attorneys were impressed by Jenkins' evident grasp of
> their arguments, his willingness to grapple with the fundamental
> issues, and his thorough familiarity with all of the legal precedents
> in the case. "This was the most thorough hearing of medical
> marijuana given by any court," said defense attorney David Michael, a
> veteran of numerous medical marijuana cases.
>
> Jenkins began with a twenty minute exposition of what he saw
> as the key legal issues in the case, to wit:
>
> - Whether the court was bound by previous Ninth Circuit
> precedents to regard all marijuana cultivation and possession as
> interstate commerce, as ruled by Judge Fogel in his WAMM decision, or
> whether, as defense attorneys argued, these precedents did not cover
> medical marijuana use, in which case the court would be free to rule
> on the matter as a case of first impression.

I've thought that for some time. The precedents allowing regulation of
purely intrastate commerce as affecting Congress's ability to regulate
interstate commerce were all matters of some kind of pro-business
regulatory scheme, forcing people to engage in commerce under that
system. The present case is not one of trying to privilege certain
business relationships, but of establishing qualifications on
commerce -- or activities tangentially related to commerce -- simply
designed to prevent some commerce, not to organize it in interstate
channels.

> - The applicability of the Supreme Court's Lopez and Morrison
> decisions restricting the government's authority under the interstate
> commerce clause. Defense attorney Prof. Randy Barnett argued that the
> Morrison decision, which postdated Lopez, had raised the bar for
> establishing jurisdiction under interstate commerce, so that
> preceding appellate rulings were suspect.

If anybody can do it, Randy Barnett can!

> - Whether the right to use medical marijuana for relief of
> pain and suffering was protected as a fundamental liberty interest by
> the Ninth amendment and substantive due process. Barnett, a leading
> Ninth Amendment scholar, argued that what was at issue was the right
> of control one's own body, and that no right could be more
> fundamental. Attorney Robert Raich, arguing on behalf of his wife,
> Angel Raich, poignantly noted that medical cannabis was necessary for
> her very survival.
>
> - Whether and how Judge Kozinski's concurring opinion in the
> Conant case, which suggested that the federal government was
> operating at the outer fringes of its power, might be relevant.
> Jenkins noted that Kozinski's opinion was not controlling precedent,
> and that it had applied to conduct (namely making a physician's
> recommendation) that was not clearly illegal under federal law.
>
> - How to weigh the equity issues raised by the "mighty
> conflict" between state law and the Controlled Substances Act.
> Jenkins suggested that the key issue was federalism, even more than
> interstate commerce.
>
> Jenkins spent over two hours discussing the issues, mostly
> with the three defense attorneys. US Attorney Mark Quinliven
> appeared alone on the government's side, perfunctorily repeating the
> government's familiar arguments. Jenkins brushed aside his
> contention that the right to medicine had been negated by the Supreme
> Court's Rutherford decision concerning Laetrile, noting that case had
> been decided in a "different constitutional setting."
>
> Judge Jenkins left little grounds to doubt that he will
> deliver a thoughtful, well informed, possibly landmark decision on
> the medical marijuana question. We will be waiting with bated
> breath, probably for several weeks.
>
> - Dale Gieringer, Cal NORML
> --
> Dale Gieringer (415) 563-5858 // canorml@igc.org
> 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114
>
> --
> Angel McClary Raich
> Executive Director,
> Angel Wings Patient OutReach, Inc.
> Operations Patient Rescue
> P.O. Box 18767
> Oakland, California 94619-8767
> oprteam@sbcglobal.net
> 510-336-0375
>
> Medical Marijuana (Cannabis) in California:
> Raich v. Ashcroft
> http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/documents/index.html#drugs
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
>
> Arthur Livermore, Director
> Falcon Cove Biology Laboratory
> P.O. Box 47
> Arch Cape, OR 97102
> 503-436-1882
> arthur.livermore@alumni.reed.edu

In Your Sly Tribe
(on the libnw side),
Robert

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Subject: Re: US Judge Shows Keen Interest in Raich/Monson MMJ Case]
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:57:06 -0500
From: "G Triest" <garyonthenet@yahoo.com>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>
CC: <arthur.livermore@alumni.reed.edu>, <canorml@igc.org>,
<oprteam@sbcglobal.net>, <lpny_discuss@yahoogroups.com>

In regard to the judge's reviewing of federal jurisidiction over purely
intrastate activities,

An Excerpt from "Statement of Greivance of the Federal Judiciary"

#22:

The illegitimate encroachment of federal jurisdiction over purely intrastate
activities:

In the system of federal government set up by our founding fathers, and in
their informed wisdom and justified fear of an uber-power centralized
government, the U.S. government was intentionally trifercated into three
equally important parts, neither one of them vested with the sole power to
control the land. In this manner the intention was to inter-moderate and
buffer each other's possible efforts at supremacy.

In the order of effectuation of federal governing, they created the
legislative, the executive, and the judicial branches of our government. And
they concurrently created the Constitution which defined and delegated the
respective powers, duties and limits of the three branches.

The legislative was the creator of laws, the executive was the effectuator
of the laws, and the judicial was to be the ideological enforcer, the
policer of the other two branches that kept them in line with the
Constitution, and in administration of the laws upon the People.

In this way their respective powers were limited in scope, and neither had
the enough power to rule solely; the legislative could make laws but not
carry them out, the executive could only carry out the laws that the
legislative made (or that existed in the Constitution), and the judicial was
constrained to proclaiming whether the legislature's laws subserved the
Constitution and whether the executive, in carrying them out, had adhered to
the laws made by the legislative (or to the Constitution directly).12

(In many ways the judicial was vested with the highest and most noble task:
to protect our system of government against Constitutional heresy and keep
pure our system of laws, rights and Constitutional precepts.)

Furthermore, in order to respect the sovereignty the States, who in fact
initially chartered the federal government and which was the result of a
compact between them, the Constitution mandated that the U.S. government
could only control or regulate the commercial trade occurring between the
States or their respective citizens. It was explicit that the federal
government was to have no other jurisdiction or controlling powers to normal
activities internal to the respective States.13

This bar to intrastate activities was long an established and unremarkable
fixture in our system of government(s), until about 1942, when the U.S.
Government prosecuted an Ohio wheat farmer who had decided to grow an
additional 11.9 acres of wheat, on his own land for his own consumption,
against Governmental edit.

The controversy was appealed to the Supreme Court14 on the grounds that what
the farmer did on his own property, and for his own intrastate purposes, was
outside the federal government's power to penalize.

Utilizing a wartime mentality, the legacy of which we are saddled with
today, the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government could regulate
such intrastate activities because the farmer's consumption of his own wheat
somehow ethereally15 affected the total interstate supplies and transport of
wheat across the nation. (This was akin to saying that breathing affected
interstate commerce, because the air was used up faster and couldn't be used
for other interstate activities, thus justifying federal authority over
breathing.)

In violation of the clear limits set forth in the Constitution, and based
upon this landmark case, this newly minted federal authority to control
intrastate life and activities exceeded all bounds, and currently knows no
practical limits16.

All that is now required for the federal legislature to control an arbitrary
intrastate activity is a public proclamation of Congress that it "finds"
some activity somehow, someway indirectly (be it in concept or scope)
affects interstate commerce. There is no requirement of finding an actual
connection between a particular incidence of that activity and something
interstate.17

Thus we are affronted with the circumstance our founding fathers were most
afraid of, an overarching central authority that had unlimited precedence
over State's internal laws and activities, effectively forming a new
politburo that completely abrogates the States' sovereignty.

Such a system is not only constitutional heresy, but is insensitive and to
the various regional conditions across the nation, dismissive of the
respective local social sentiments and mores, and contemptuous of the
prevailing individual characters endemic to the various states.

Such a system preempts the rights of the People to govern themselves as
constitutionally provided for, and seeks to impose a homogeny of thought,
lifestyle and way.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Goodman"

Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: US Judge Shows Keen Interest in Raich/Monson MMJ Case]

> "Arthur Livermore" <arthur.livermore@alumni.reed.edu> wrote in DRCtalk
> (which I quote in full because I'm also putting this on Liberty Now
> Worldwide):
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > It looks like the court may finally hear us.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > San Francisco, Dec 17: US Judge Martin Jenkins displayed a keen
> > interest in the civil suit by Angel Raich, Diane Monson, et al. for
> > an injunction to protect their right to use medical marijuana,
> > declaring that the case raised "significant issues" concerning the
> > government's constitutional authority to prohibit medical use of
> > marijuana.
> >
> > Defense attorneys were impressed by Jenkins' evident grasp of
> > their arguments, his willingness to grapple with the fundamental
> > issues, and his thorough familiarity with all of the legal precedents
> > in the case. "This was the most thorough hearing of medical
> > marijuana given by any court," said defense attorney David Michael, a
> > veteran of numerous medical marijuana cases.
> >
> > Jenkins began with a twenty minute exposition of what he saw
> > as the key legal issues in the case, to wit:
> >
> > - Whether the court was bound by previous Ninth Circuit
> > precedents to regard all marijuana cultivation and possession as
> > interstate commerce, as ruled by Judge Fogel in his WAMM decision, or
> > whether, as defense attorneys argued, these precedents did not cover
> > medical marijuana use, in which case the court would be free to rule
> > on the matter as a case of first impression.
>
> I've thought that for some time. The precedents allowing regulation of
> purely intrastate commerce as affecting Congress's ability to regulate
> interstate commerce were all matters of some kind of pro-business
> regulatory scheme, forcing people to engage in commerce under that
> system. The present case is not one of trying to privilege certain
> business relationships, but of establishing qualifications on
> commerce -- or activities tangentially related to commerce -- simply
> designed to prevent some commerce, not to organize it in interstate
> channels.
>
> > - The applicability of the Supreme Court's Lopez and Morrison
> > decisions restricting the government's authority under the interstate
> > commerce clause. Defense attorney Prof. Randy Barnett argued that the
> > Morrison decision, which postdated Lopez, had raised the bar for
> > establishing jurisdiction under interstate commerce, so that
> > preceding appellate rulings were suspect.
>
> If anybody can do it, Randy Barnett can!
>
> > - Whether the right to use medical marijuana for relief of
> > pain and suffering was protected as a fundamental liberty interest by
> > the Ninth amendment and substantive due process. Barnett, a leading
> > Ninth Amendment scholar, argued that what was at issue was the right
> > of control one's own body, and that no right could be more
> > fundamental. Attorney Robert Raich, arguing on behalf of his wife,
> > Angel Raich, poignantly noted that medical cannabis was necessary for
> > her very survival.
> >
> > - Whether and how Judge Kozinski's concurring opinion in the
> > Conant case, which suggested that the federal government was
> > operating at the outer fringes of its power, might be relevant.
> > Jenkins noted that Kozinski's opinion was not controlling precedent,
> > and that it had applied to conduct (namely making a physician's
> > recommendation) that was not clearly illegal under federal law.
> >
> > - How to weigh the equity issues raised by the "mighty
> > conflict" between state law and the Controlled Substances Act.
> > Jenkins suggested that the key issue was federalism, even more than
> > interstate commerce.
> >
> > Jenkins spent over two hours discussing the issues, mostly
> > with the three defense attorneys. US Attorney Mark Quinliven
> > appeared alone on the government's side, perfunctorily repeating the
> > government's familiar arguments. Jenkins brushed aside his
> > contention that the right to medicine had been negated by the Supreme
> > Court's Rutherford decision concerning Laetrile, noting that case had
> > been decided in a "different constitutional setting."
> >
> > Judge Jenkins left little grounds to doubt that he will
> > deliver a thoughtful, well informed, possibly landmark decision on
> > the medical marijuana question. We will be waiting with bated
> > breath, probably for several weeks.
> >
> > - Dale Gieringer, Cal NORML
> > --
> > Dale Gieringer (415) 563-5858 // canorml@igc.org
> > 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114
> >
> > --
> > Angel McClary Raich
> > Executive Director,
> > Angel Wings Patient OutReach, Inc.
> > Operations Patient Rescue
> > P.O. Box 18767
> > Oakland, California 94619-8767
> > oprteam@sbcglobal.net
> > 510-336-0375
> >
> > Medical Marijuana (Cannabis) in California:
> > Raich v. Ashcroft
> > http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/documents/index.html#drugs
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Arthur Livermore, Director
> > Falcon Cove Biology Laboratory
> > P.O. Box 47
> > Arch Cape, OR 97102
> > 503-436-1882
> > arthur.livermore@alumni.reed.edu
>
> In Your Sly Tribe
> (on the libnw side),
> Robert
>
>

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Subject: Fw: Best place for fireworks in the world?
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:43:10 -0500
From: "Robert Goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle Kepley" <fkepster@diespammer.com>
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Best place for fireworks in the world?

> I've been thinking about this and it would seem that most European
countries
> with a government well funded from excessive taxes are where fireworks
are
> banned the most. Canada, France, Germany and Australia make it
impossible
> to legally make fireworks as a hobby, and shooting class C is
restricted as
> well. America is well on the way to becoming another no-fly zone for
the
> pyro hobbyist without some serious changes.
>
> I believe the problem is directly linked to tax revenue, since that is
what
> gives government the power to create and staff the regulatory agencies
> required to enforce the endless flow of restrictions. Money is indeed
> power, and without it a government can't do squat. It is difficult to
> change the attitudes of power hungry weasels who work their way into
office,
> so it is best to try and reduce the amount of money they have at their
> fingertips. This is why countries with cash starved governments like
> Mexico, India, Philippines and most of Asia don't jump on the "ban"
wagon.
> Their governments have to prioritize their scarce resources to use on
the
> REAL problems.
>
> The same trend holds true for states within the U.S. Note that it is
the
> liberal states with the highest taxes where fireworks are banned the
most-
> New York, California, Maryland etc. Fireworks themselves are not a
> republican/democrat issue, but taxes ARE. Even though republicans are
> rather limp wristed at their efforts to reduce taxes, at least they
TRY.
> Democrats, on the other hand, have a long history of raising taxes
because
> their philosophy requires it. While both parties are responsible for
> creating the alphabet soup of acronym agencies that plague us with
> regulations, it is generally the tax-happy democrats who insure that
they
> remain well funded. Bush obviously betrayed the conservative camp as
well
> as any democrat could when he allocated the massive funding for
regulatory
> expansion, among other things. Once again the actions of both parties
> become harder to distinguish.
>
> The biggest threat from the "Safe" Explosives Act is not so much the
new
> laws, but the new funding for enforcement that Bush has enacted. With
more
> ATF agents running around, they might start paying more attention to
the
> fireworks hobby community. If the ATF ever implemented a
cash-for-busts
> incentive program similar to the one the IRS used to operate during
its
> height of corruption, you can bet we will start seeing a lot of
sacrificial
> lambs.
>
> The best strategy for freeing ourselves from the never ending web of
> expanding regulations is to starve the government of the money it
needs for
> enforcement. Rather than focus your attention on the endless new and
> existing regulations, which are difficult to effect through mere
voting,
> focus on one simple issue: keeping your money from feeding the hand
that
> slaps you!
>
> Rather than flee your country, try and put up a good fight first.
Here are
> some resources to find out how:
> www.cats.org
> www.atr.org
> www.lp.org/issues/cut-taxes.html
>
> -Kyle
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Rocket J. Squirrel" <rob@earthworx.com> wrote in message
> news:d8fbc5c0.0212162039.54cedf04@posting.google.com...
> > Besides my back yard, your yard, where is it, what country is the
most
> > fireworks friendly and american friendly in the world, anyone know
of
> > a place that you can buy a shoot "b" in your back yard? Hondorus?
> > Mexico, MO.? Thanks
> > Maybe i'll move there if Hillary gets elected...
>
>

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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:14:42 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: LPIdaho-Announce-owner@yahoogroups.com, libnw@immosys.com
CC: idaho_libs@yahoogroups.com

Greetings everyone!

Ted Dunlap reported on the CATO Institutes report on the Bush
Administration's proposal to nationalize internet monitoring...

> "The President's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board is preparing the
> report, and it is intended to create public and private cooperation to
> regulate and defend the national computer networks, not only from everyday
> hazards like viruses but also from terrorist attack. Ultimately the report
> is intended to provide an Internet strategy for the new Department of
> Homeland Security."

Good! For several months now I've been kicking the idea around of
changing host servers for Liberty Northwest to a provider off shore.
It is now being hosted by a host site in the San Diego area. I have
been contacting a site in Thailand that has similar rates and
services. Now might be a great time to pull the plug from APLUS, Inc.
in San Diego and make the transfer as soon as possible.

Kindest regards,
Frank

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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:46:44 -0800
From: "Lowell C. Savage" <savagelc@ix.netcom.com>
To: libnw@immosys.com

Greetings Frank! And a Merry Christmas to all!

To accomplish...what? Keep the government from listening in on the
conversation? I'm not saying that what the government is doing is
right. I'm simply asking what purpose or principle will be furthered by
avoiding the government's action.

Lowell C. Savage
It's the freedom, stupid!
Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly.
At 22:14 12/24/02 +0800, you wrote:
>Greetings everyone!
>
>Ted Dunlap reported on the CATO Institutes report on the Bush
>Administration's proposal to nationalize internet monitoring...
>
> > ...
>
>Good! For several months now I've been kicking the idea around of
>changing host servers for Liberty Northwest to a provider off shore.
>It is now being hosted by a host site in the San Diego area. I have
>been contacting a site in Thailand that has similar rates and
>services. Now might be a great time to pull the plug from APLUS, Inc.
>in San Diego and make the transfer as soon as possible.
>
>Kindest regards,
>Frank
>
>
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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:43:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Michelle <quicksilver810@yahoo.com>
To: libnw@immosys.com

Privacy basically.

If there's a way that we can keep conversation on the
list private (or more private than it otherwise would
be) once the US government is set up to spy on
internet communication, I'm all in favor of doing
that.

Sincerely,
Michelle

--- "Lowell C. Savage" <savagelc@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Greetings Frank! And a Merry Christmas to all!
>
> To accomplish...what? Keep the government from
> listening in on the
> conversation? I'm not saying that what the
> government is doing is
> right. I'm simply asking what purpose or principle
> will be furthered by
> avoiding the government's action.
>
> Lowell C. Savage
> It's the freedom, stupid!
> Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly.
> At 22:14 12/24/02 +0800, you wrote:
> >Greetings everyone!
> >
> >Ted Dunlap reported on the CATO Institutes report
> on the Bush
> >Administration's proposal to nationalize internet
> monitoring...
> >
> > > ...
> >
> >Good! For several months now I've been kicking the
> idea around of
> >changing host servers for Liberty Northwest to a
> provider off shore.
> >It is now being hosted by a host site in the San
> Diego area. I have
> >been contacting a site in Thailand that has similar
> rates and
> >services. Now might be a great time to pull the
> plug from APLUS, Inc.
> >in San Diego and make the transfer as soon as
> possible.
> >
> >Kindest regards,
> >Frank
> >
> >
>
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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: 24 Dec 2002 17:50:39 -0700
From: Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com

On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 17:43, Michelle wrote:
> Privacy basically.
>
> If there's a way that we can keep conversation on the
> list private (or more private than it otherwise would
> be) once the US government is set up to spy on
> internet communication, I'm all in favor of doing
> that.

Encryption. Even if the server is in a foreign land, it still travels in
plain text over the wire. If you seek privacy, Encryption is your best
bet.

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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:59:18 -0500
From: "G Triest" <garyonthenet@yahoo.com>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>

Good Idea Frank.

Another important development and service are the anonymous server and
encrypting services, like freedom.net; they let you surf the net and no one
between you and them can see the content of your web browsing.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Reichert" <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: <LPIdaho-Announce-owner@yahoogroups.com>; <libnw@immosys.com>
Cc: <idaho_libs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive

> Greetings everyone!
>
> Ted Dunlap reported on the CATO Institutes report on the Bush
> Administration's proposal to nationalize internet monitoring...
>
> > "The President's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board is preparing
the
> > report, and it is intended to create public and private cooperation to
> > regulate and defend the national computer networks, not only from
everyday
> > hazards like viruses but also from terrorist attack. Ultimately the
report
> > is intended to provide an Internet strategy for the new Department of
> > Homeland Security."
>
> Good! For several months now I've been kicking the idea around of
> changing host servers for Liberty Northwest to a provider off shore.
> It is now being hosted by a host site in the San Diego area. I have
> been contacting a site in Thailand that has similar rates and
> services. Now might be a great time to pull the plug from APLUS, Inc.
> in San Diego and make the transfer as soon as possible.
>
> Kindest regards,
> Frank
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:07:31 -0800
From: "Lowell C. Savage" <savagelc@ix.netcom.com>
To: libnw@immosys.com,libnw@immosys.com

So, you encrypt the messages...what prevents Joe Bureaucrat from simply
subscribing to the list? The point is that if Jane Listmember wants to
keep it private information that she is a member of the libnw list, then
she needs to post under a pseudonym and she needs to have the email go
through some kind of an email redirector which encrypts the messages and
sends them to her.

There really isn't much that Frank, as listowner, can do to ensure
privacy. Any emails coming from the foreign server to the US could be
tracked and the "important" ones filtered from the innocuous. Or is there
something I don't understand about setting up encryption on the list?

Lowell C. Savage
It's the freedom, stupid!
Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly.
Bill Anderson wrote:
>On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 17:43, Michelle wrote:
> > Privacy basically.
> >
> > If there's a way that we can keep conversation on the
> > list private (or more private than it otherwise would
> > be) once the US government is set up to spy on
> > internet communication, I'm all in favor of doing
> > that.
>
>Encryption. Even if the server is in a foreign land, it still travels in
>plain text over the wire. If you seek privacy, Encryption is your best
>bet.

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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:26:45 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com

Greetings again Lowell!

"Lowell C. Savage" wrote, responding to Michelle and Bill...
>
> So, you encrypt the messages...what prevents Joe Bureaucrat from simply
> subscribing to the list? The point is that if Jane Listmember wants to
> keep it private information that she is a member of the libnw list, then
> she needs to post under a pseudonym and she needs to have the email go
> through some kind of an email redirector which encrypts the messages and
> sends them to her.
> There really isn't much that Frank, as listowner, can do to ensure
> privacy. Any emails coming from the foreign server to the US could be
> tracked and the "important" ones filtered from the innocuous. Or is there
> something I don't understand about setting up encryption on the list?

I wasn't referring to the libnw "list", but rather the web site,
http://www.liberty-northwest.org

Nor, is encryption really anything that I intended, but rather simply
placing the web site on a foreign server that isn't under the US
government's legal jurisdiction, such as the one I am looking at in
Thailand.

There is nothing I can do about stopping the US government from
centralizing its "web control or monitoring", however, I would suspect
at some point that could easily develop into something like closing
down "terrorist" web sites (terrorism as defined by some turd such as
Asscroft or Rumsfeld). In which case, having the site on a foreign,
more friendly legal jurisdiction, could be beneficial.

Kindest regards,
Frank

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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:40:41 -0500
From: "Robert Goodman" <robgood@bestweb.net>
To: <libnw@immosys.com>

> So, you encrypt the messages...what prevents Joe Bureaucrat from
simply
> subscribing to the list?

I think we would WANT Joe to subscribe!

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Subject: Re: Accentuate the Positive
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:26:39 -0800
From: "Lowell C. Savage" <savagelc@ix.netcom.com>
To: libnw@immosys.com

Robert Goodman, responding to me, wrote:
> > So, you encrypt the messages...what prevents Joe Bureaucrat from
>simply
> > subscribing to the list?
>
>I think we would WANT Joe to subscribe!

Absotively and Posolutely! But I was originally responding to what I
thought was Frank's idea of trying to make it so that Joe couldn't use the
list "against" members. I was merely pointing out that for any "measures"
Frank might take to "protect" members, the bureacratic "countermeasures"
are ridiculously easy (especially if TIA or some similar thing gets
implemented).

I suppose that Frank might be able to get it hosted somewhere that would
protect "lurkers", but it probably wouldn't protect posters. So, the end
result is that if someone is paranoid enough to think they need
"protection", then they need to avail themselves of some kind of a remailer
service that encrypts traffic between the remailer and the individual.

But then Frank said that it wasn't the list he was worried about so much as
the web site. (I suppose putting the list "offshore" might protect against
the police shutting it down before any notice can go out to list
members--provided that the police in the "offshore" country are less likely
to do so than the US police.)

Lowell C. Savage
It's the freedom, stupid!
Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly.

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Subject: The Birth
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:49:02 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
Reply-To: libnw@dmi.net
To: libnw@usa.net
CC: libnw@immosys.com, liberty_talk@egroups.com,
grassroots_reform@egroups.com, idaho_libs@yahoogroups.com

THE BIRTH

In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the
world should be enrolled. This was the first enrollment, when
Quirin'i-us was governor of Syria. And all went to be enrolled, each
to his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city
of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called
Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be
enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they
were there, the time came for her to be delivered. And she gave birth
to her first-born son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths, and laid
him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn.

And in that region there were shepherds out in the field, keeping
watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord shone
around them, and they were filled with fear. And the angel said to
them, "Be not afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy
which will come to all the people; for to you is born this day in the
city of David a Saviour, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a
sign for you: you Will find a babe wrapped in swaddling cloths and
lying in a manger." And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude
of the heavenly host praising God and saying,

"Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace among men with
whom he is pleased!"

When the angels went away from them into heaven, the shepherds said to
one another, "Let us go over to Bethlehem and see this thing that has
happened, which the Lord has made known to us." And they went with
haste, and found Mary and Joseph and the babe lying in a manger. And
when they saw it they made known the saying which had been told them
concerning this child; and all who heard it wondered at what the
shepherds told them. But Mary kept all these things, pondering them
in her heart. And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God
for all they had heard and seen, as it had been told them.

And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called
Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the
womb.

And when the time came for their purification according to the law of
Moses, they brought him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord (as
it is written in the law of the Lord, "Every male that opens the womb
shall be called holy to the Lord") and to offer a sacrifice according
to what is said in the law of the Lord, "a pair of turtledoves, or two
young pigeons." Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was
Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the
consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. And it had
been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he should not see death
before he had seen the Lord's Christ. And inspired by the Spirit he
came into the temple; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus,
to do for him according to the custom of the law, he took him up in
his arms and blessed God and said,

"Lord, now lettest thou thy servant
depart in peace,
according to thy word;
for mine eyes have seen thy salvation
which thou hast prepared in the presence
of all peoples,
a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and for glory for thy people Israel."

And his father and his mother marvelled at what was said about him;
and Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother,

"Behold, this child is set for the fall
and rising of many in Israel,
and for a sign that is spoken against
(and a sword will pierce through your
own soul also),
that thoughts out of many hearts may
be revealed."

And there was prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phan'u-el, of the
tribe of Asher; she was of a great age, having lived with her husband
seven years from her virginity, and as a widow till she was
eighty-four. She did not depart from the temple, worshipping with
fasting and prayer night and day. And coming up at that very hours
she gave thanks to God, and spoke of him to all who were looking for
the redemption of Jerusalem.

And when they had performed everything according to the law of the
Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth. And the
child grew and became strong, filled with wisdom; and the favour of
God was upon him.

Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the
Passover. And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to
custom; and when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy
Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it, but
supposing him to be in the company they went a day's journey, and they
sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintances; and when they did
not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking him. After three
days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers,
listening to them and asking them questions; and all who heard him
were amazed at his understanding and his answers. And when they saw
him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, "Son, why have
you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been looking for
you anxiously." And he said to them, "How is it that you sought me?
Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?" And they did
not understand the saying which he spoke to them. And he went down
with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his
mother kept all these things in her heart.

And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favour with God
and man.
LUKE 2 (RSV)
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Subject: HAS BUSH DONE HIS HOMEWORK?
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:56:26 +0800
From: Frank Reichert <admin@liberty-northwest.org>
To: libnw@immosys.com
CC: liberty_talk@yahoogroups.com

Greetings everyone!

This is a moderately lengthy, yet great essay on "The Shrub Regime's"<tm>
battle plans on its contemplated war against Iraq. Credit is given to the
Militia of Montana for forwarding this piece, and I encourage everyone to
read it!

Kindest regards,
Frank

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Subject: HAS BUSH DONE HIS HOMEWORK?
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:53:39 -0700
From: mom <nox2128@blackfoot.net>
Organization: MOM
To: "mom-l@listserv.montana.com" <mom-l@listserv.montana.com>

HAS BUSH DONE HIS HOMEWORK?
SUN TZU'S ART OF WAR
By: Joe Blow
Published in the December 27, 2002 issue of Ether Zone.

As decision time for Gulf War II rapidly approaches I can’t help but wonder
if the current
regime is ready for prime time. Despite repeated claims that no final
decision has been
made on the imminent invasion of Iraq, daily press releases and briefings
over the past
several months point in the opposite direction, as recognized by piles of
pundits to date.

Sartre, in his recent piece "Globalism - Sun Tzu & The Art Of War" correctly

characterized the methodology of Sun Tzu as a holistic amalgam of tactics
based on a gray
continuum of morality. This piece attempts to compare Master Sun’s tactics
to those of
the Bush regime to date in order to surmise its readiness to "win" the war
the Oriental way,
on whatever fronts the battles are to be fought.

First, it’s important to understand two fundamental concepts of Oriental
thinking:

- Time is free and limitless.
- Morality is measured in shades of gray, not black and white.

Second, a short list of selected major points in the Art of War, in no
particular
order:

- All warfare is based on deception.
- Pre-planning is the key to success.
- Know your enemy and know yourself.
- Probe the enemy to find his weak spots.
- Unity of purpose is required to succeed.
- Make liberal use of spies and pay them well.
- Use the weather and terrain to your advantage.
- The best war is the one you win without fighting.
- When strong, appear weak, be crafty and devious.
- Use feints and diversions and attack only at weak points.
- Battle is but one of an entire host of arenas in which to wage war.
- War threatens the existence of the State so it must be studied well.
- Understand and appreciate the great costs of war and avoid it if possible.

- Demoralize, harass, confuse, and divide the enemy as much as possible.

Third, a short list of selected news items regarding this regime’s tactics
to date:

- Bush has repeatedly indicated that "time is running out" for Saddam.
(limit)
- Bush painted the entire world as black or white regarding supporting
terrorism.
- Bush has repeatedly indicated that an invasion of Iraq is the most likely
event.
- Internal struggles regarding sizes and types of military forces needed
threaten to
jeopardize the ability of the military to accomplish its mission. (planning)

- While this regime may fully understand the abilities of its own forces it
remains to be seen
how well it understands Saddam Hussein and his forces, especially the
Special Republican
Guards and the Republican Guards. (intel)
- Predators are probing Iraq, but as expected they are taking losses, four
in the past two
years alone, at $3.7 million each, even before the invasion starts.
- The current level of anti-war sentiment is the highest it’s been since
Vietnam.
- This regime essentially has no internal spies in Iraq. (secret agents)
- This regime will be able to take advantage of potentially good weather,
but only if the
invasion starts before the end of February.
- Bush has repeatedly indicated the apparent inevitability of invading Iraq.
(certain)
- Instead of appearing weak, Rumsfeld recently boasted that DoD is capable
of fighting
and winning two wars at once, including one against North Korea.
- It remains to be seen if diversions and feints will be used in the
invasion.
- As revealed by Colin Powell, Bush is fixated on invading Iraq, and
discounts the
possibility of "winning" through diplomacy and other means of Statecraft.
- It remains to be seen if this regime will implement the tactics of Sun Tzu
or revert to the
Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force.
- It remains to be seen if current psychological operations will bear fruit.

- Despite the staggering projected costs for Gulf War II this regime appears
to be headed
in that direction, no matter what.

This cursory comparison indicates that while Bush may have read Sun Tzu’s
book, this
regime is certainly not preparing to wage war the Oriental way. It has
already violated
several basic tenets. Bush imposed an unnecessary time limit, he openly
proceeded to
build up forces overseas for an impending invasion, he repeatedly stated
that war is
essentially inevitable, and he is prepared to wage a very costly war half
way around the
world with essentially no internal spies on the ground in Iraq, instead
probing it with
Predators (and other UAVs and satellites) to ascertain only what can be
discerned from
altitude, within sensor limitations.

The paucity of spies in Iraq is a major shortcoming of the CIA and it is a
critical problem
for this regime, more so than most people in the spook world want to admit.
But this is
nothing new, as Tabassum Zakaria writes in a recent Reuters article that
reveals the CIA is
culturally averse to using deep-cover covert spies, instead relying heavily
on technology
and satellites. Sun Tzu wouldn’t stand for it. HUMINT (human intelligence)
is what is
required, but the CIA is far behind in deep-cover operations, especially in
Iraq. Although
the CIA hired many new clandestine officers in the past several years, most
of them have
little or no field experience overseas.

Whereas Master Sun warned against waging battle due to its enormous costs,
this regime
appears indifferent at best to the staggering debt that Gulf War II will
dump on your
children and grandchildren. Bush long ago adopted the "whatever it takes,
for as long as it
takes" attitude against terrorism and WMDs, despite this nation being the
most responsible
for inciting the former and employing the latter throughout history.

This fact alone speaks volumes regarding this regime’s disregard for the
Oriental way of
waging war. It is preparing to jeopardize the nation, the economy, the State
itself, your
future, and your sons and daughters to invade a non-threatening third-world
nation ruled
by a fourth-rate despot located half way around the world - for oil.

There is a much better way of achieving this goal, as Col. David Hackworth
indicates in
his recent column, "Bloodshed or Big Macs." Finally, a pundit who has
correctly applied
Sun Tzu’s Art of War to the impending invasion of Iraq. It was well worth
the wait and is
highly recommended reading for all Americans.

Sun Tzu describes unity of purpose as being essential for success in war.
The North
Vietnamese fully understood this, which is why they were victorious at the
end of the
Vietnam war, despite losing every battle in the field. While there is no
doubt that this
regime’s attackers will be victorious in the field, it conveniently
overlooks the simple fact
that a costly invasion is both unnecessary and unwise. Sun Tzu would agree
wholeheartedly, even before hoisting a few cold ones with Hackworth.

Sun Tzu says: divide the enemy to conquer him, but America is already
greatly divided
over the impending invasion. Martha Mendoza writes:

"While the Pentagon has spent the past year training troops, building
facilities and
stockpiling weapons to launch a war against Iraq, the peace movement has
been using the
buildup time to coordinate "emergency response plans" to disrupt domestic
military
activity, tie up commerce and get out their anti-war message. Rally meeting
places are
posted, march routes set, protest signs painted, acts of nonviolent civil
disobedience
choreographed.

"Activists in more than a dozen cities have announced where and when to meet
on the first
day of war - what they call "The Day Of." In Dallas, they plan speeches at
City Hall; in
San Francisco, they plan to block traffic in the business district; in St.
Louis they will hold
a candlelight vigil downtown; in Seattle they plan to march at the federal
building. In New
York City, organizers hope to crowd Times Square with protesters.

"The yearlong prep time has also brought a broad array people to the
movement…Our
community now entails a much more moderate and wider swath of America. It's
not the
fringe and it's not the old lefties and it's not the kids with purple hair
and nose rings…The
movement - which has already brought thousands of people to the streets in
recent
protests - has grown broader and more sophisticated, said UC Davis American
studies
professor Michael Smith, who studies activism in the United States.

"University students and former anti-Vietnam War activists are a large part
of the
movement, but an incongruous coalition of business and corporate leaders,
labor unions,
minority advocacy groups, religious congregations, feminist organizations,
environmentalists, high school students and veterans who fought in the
Persian Gulf have
been showing up at rallies around the country."

This regime is not preparing to wage war the Oriental way and it has no
intention of using
the Art of War as Master Sun intended: as a strong warning to the King to
fully
understand and appreciate the truly staggering costs of war and to only
commit troops to
battle as a last resort, after all other avenues of Statecraft have failed.
That is the real
lesson to be learned from Sun Tzu, but it appears that the King has already
made his
decision. Homework? What homework? On to Baghdad!

http://etherzone.com/2002/blow122702.shtml


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